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This is a lady who wrote an entire book, a one-sided attack, on the FLDS, and then complains of being attacked in the blogs when we present our views:


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3/2/2008 12:29 PM Carole Western wrote:

Carol Said: Hey: You have now sent me 4 or 5 blogs and I have replied to most of them.
REPLY: Half-correct. Yes, I have sent you 5 blogs. Now count. You have only posted ONE, and then this one, so two out of five, see? What are you hiding from yourself, and from the people!

Carol Said: My time is too precious to keep fencing back and forth when you are NOT LISTENING TO WHAT I AM WRITING.
REPLY: Look at what she's saying, folks: "You're not listening to my lies. I'm going to tell my daddy"

Carol Said: I DO NOT BELIEVE IN ABORTION!! So, stop counting me as someone I am not.
REPLY: EXACTLY! See? "Stop counting someone for something they are not". You condemn yourself out of your own lips, because you have written an entire book counting someone, a Prophet to us, and even an entire community, for something they are not. You’re publicly calling our religion, which includes conception at the first fruits of puberty, child abuse and a crime, that the FLDS must abide the law, and the law requires abortion as part of a woman’s option or choice, the mass serial killing of innocent life, while the religion of the Christian calls for just the opposite, the FLDS Church does just the opposite, the mass GIVING of life. The Christian faith calls child-marriage a necessity and a requirement of God at the first fruits of puberty when the seed is the purest (Ex.22:29), “which bare twelve manner of fruits each year, or monthly” (Rev. 22:2), and “Ye shall know the true saint by their fruits” (Mt.7:16). So you are attacking God and His Christ, and every Christian in America and the world. That my dear, is the antiChrist.

Carol Said: I am NOT COMING DOWN ON YOU FOR BEING A POLYGAMIST. I PERSONALLY DON'T CARE HOW YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOUNG CHILDREN FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSES.
REPLY: That is exactly what you are doing, calling our Plural Marriages, what you call "polygamist", a crime, because all can see that our plural marriages in the Christian faith call for the “taking of young children for religious purpose”. All can see that the religion of heaven requires the blessing of young children after puberty, with darling children of their own, when their seed is the purest at the source of the stream (Ex.22:29, see? That is the Christian faith). And you call that faith, that Biblical decree of the Heavens to the faithful Christian, the taking advantage of children. So yes, you personally care how we live our live, because that is exactly how we live our life, exactly according to our faith in the Word of God. Do you see your two-faced blowing out of one nostril and sucking into the other?

Carol Said: You have called me everything from Satanic, to selfish and sensual and you don't even know me. You have invaded my privacy and asked personal questions about my looks and how I conduct my life. WHAT AND WHO GIVES YOU THAT RIGHT?
REPLY: Correct, it is Satanic, selfish, and sensual to oppose Christ and His Word. Well put, putt putt. As for invading privacy, what exactly have you done in publishing a complete lie about our fathers and mothers, our brothers and sisters, and our children, and calling us criminals in a published book, a public invasion!!! Get it? Self defense is what gives every American that right, and who gives it? God gives it and commands it: “Fight the good fight” (1 Tim.6:12, 2 Tim.4:7, Heb.11:34).


You Can Do Better (Part 2)

Carol Said: I have not attacked you. In fact, I think I have been careful not to offend you.
REPLY: You mean an entire BOOK attacking our fathers and mothers, our brothers and sisters, and even our children, is not an attack? You just as well slay somebody, and say that you are protecting them, like you sustain the law of the land and what does it do? Serial Murder of millions of children every year!!! Not attacking, just depriving them of their very lives, like you seek to deprive young women of the lives of their children until years after they should have been born when the seed was the purest, according to the Christian faith (Ex.22:29)???

Carol Said: And by the way, there are other polygamist groups in America, who do not have a leader in jail, and behave like proper citizens and I have heard from them.
REPLY: The FLDS Church is not only NOT polygamist, but not even of this world. We do not believe in polygamy. You just did not know that, did you. I didn’t think so. As for a leader being in jail, your point…? Jesus Christ was in jail. Is that an indication of any guilt whatsoever? Look at the facts: He is in jail for fulfilling the Christian faith, the Word of God, in marrying young women, that they may bring pure life into this world. That is the charge and the conviction, for being “accomplice” to those unions, even as God is accomplice to yourself being born into this world.

Carol (You’re screaming: You have not peace within yourself): I HAVE DONE MY BEST TO REPORT WHAT OTHERS HAVE TOLD ME WHO HAVE LIVED IN YOUR TOWN, AND THAT IS WHAT A GOOD JOURNALIST DOES. DID I EXPECT EVERYONE TO BE GRACIOUS TO ME? NO, I DID NOT, BUT NOT AGREEING WITH ME AND HARASSING ME ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

REPLY: See, there you go again. That is ALL that you have done, just like you just now confessed. You have only reported what a few criminals have reported to you, and THAT IS NOT a good journalist at all. With your public expose attacking our fathers and our mothers, our brothers and our sisters, and our wives and our children, for believing and even practicing the very Word of God, as truly good Christians, and casting out all who offend as Christ did in casting out many devils and in dividing many families (Mt.10:34), you have therefore reported only what you have heard from the outcasts, and called it INSIDE the world of Warren Jeffs, when in fact it is only OUTSIDE, and not inside at all, showing the extreme bias and unprofessionalism and the crime of your assaults against a good people. Who has harassed who? You’re the one making the attacks, and everyone can see it. So we merely bring forward the Word of God. If that is offensive to you, and feels like an attack, the devils that Jesus cast out felt the same way.



You Can Do Better (Part 3)
Carol: I apologize to you for one thing, for sending this post in three parts. Your blog limits posts to only 3,000 characters, so I had to break it up.

Carol Said: I DO NOT EXPECT YOU TO CONTACT ME AGAIN, FOR IF YOU DO, I WILL TAKE YOUR BLOGS TO THE POLICE AND REPORT THIS AS HARASSMENT. Reply to this

There, I have contacted you in a public blog, defending our people against the vilest of attacks, perhaps even the vilest of criminals, attacking good men, women, and children while they are on the ground, like some raving dog. You can do better than that, my dear, surely you can, if there is any right spirit in you at all, or any professionalism. Let it shine, Carol. Attacking an entire community with only one-sided disgruntled comments of only those who were caught and cast out for crimes against women and children, and then seeking to deprive your victims of self-defense or even the freedom of speech, is a public outrage. You can do better at being a good citizen, without attacking the citizens themselves, and insulting the intelligence of the public at large, can’t you? Of course you can.


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March 2-Tx & Western
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Carole Western wrote:
3/1/2008 4:59 PM
Dear Just a Thought:

You appear to be a very thoughtful, caring person. As I mentioned the main focus of the book was the problem of young girls being forced into marriage with older men, and young boys being exiled because of the gradual decline of women to marry to carry on the polygamous lifestyle….I am sorry you are disappointed in my title. I am sorry also that his wives have been left without a husband, and hopefully, as is the custom in your religion, someone is caring for his families at this time and they are safe and well.


STREET’s REPLY: Carol, look at yourself: First, you starting out many of your replies with “You seem to be very thoughtful”, or something similar to dupe people into an attack as something acceptable, and then crucifying peoples’ thoughts and beliefs and eternal destiny way of life, which is just as two-faced as a horse and it’s ass. Then to get into the meat of your posts, if there was any (just boner-bones), your justifying a phony rag called a “book” because that is what you “heard from others” is not the least bit professional, to just take the word of outsiders and calling it “Inside”. From that, we can all see that you don’t know your “ass from a hole in the ground” as the saying goes. Not my saying, just a popular saying, since you like the dirty and popular little sayings which you have then published into a little rag and called it a “book”.

Now Carol, perhaps you meant well, and we FLDS like Christ must “love our enemies”. So, in your defense, I will say this. You probably meant to take the popular sentiment just to add your voice to the defense of women and children, but your own law decrees the MASS MURDER of children, the serial killings and taking of the most innocent and helpless lives, while it is the FLDS Church that gives life abundantly, and raises them as their own, as everyone knows. We can all see that Christ Himself cast out demons from His midst, and even women and children, and lived Plural Marriage. See it for yourself: Casting out (Matt.10:34), and Plural Marriage, “calling the bridegroom Jesus (John 2:9), and Martha and Mary ‘whom He loved’ (John 11:5), directing them at home like any good husband, and “Many women followed him from Galilee, his home (Mark 15:41).

So my dear, do not join the rabble of devils, and their fate. If you can bring yourself to recant your ‘book’, or at least the title of it, and not equate the vomit of the very people he cast out, as being “Inside the world of Warren Jeffs”, but in fact OUTSIDE, then you might redeem yourself a little. Otherwise, you cannot, worlds without end.


Street

Onthestreet
March 2-Western-
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Carol: I have posted the following on the Texas Polygamy blog, and a number of other blogs, to show your bias and criminal and unbalanced way. The bearing of children, and even chastising and casting out the rebellious is the very way of God, and His Christ. See it for yourself (Matt.10:34). Everyone knows that there are THOUSANDS of young women who are freely married under the direction of this Prophet Warren Jeffs, and that God Himself, thousands of years old, came to a young 12-year old maiden, the Virgin Mary, and conceived a child. Your way, the law of the land, is to murder millions of little children in the name of "choice". So pray tell, are you still interested in helping the children according to the law, to become corpses and dumped into the grave? Get real! If you are real, I will repost the post you refused to allow here, and see if you are for real, or the real phony that you seem to be so far.

Street
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GRETCHEN (Part I)

3/25/2008 7:06 AM gretchen wrote:
I for one am glad for every single writer and reporter that is trying to expose the monumental fraud, institutionalized abuse and criminal neglect in these polygamous groups. The death threats these reporters and writers receive from cult followers shows the situation for what it really is. Those that threaten are brainwashed, naive.

STREET’s REPLY: The world marvels that there have been zero threats from the FLDS faithful. Yes, there is violence in the world, but it is being directed by the world toward that peaceful people, who seek to cast off all who disrupt the peace, according the Christ’s very example of dividing families (Matt.10:34). Right in your Bible, folks. Just because a violent polygamy sect murders people, and just because the law of the land murders innocent children (4,000 a day) is NOT to say that’s the fault of the FLDS. Do you see how asinine that is. Of course you do.

Gretchen Said: They are simply too fearful to see the truth. They have been taught from day one that they will go to hell and never see loved ones again,etc, if they ever disagree or break free…They teach their helpless youth to hate and fear…

STREET’s REPLY: Or is the world too fearful to see the truth. It is the world that is fighting it, the very scripture and the Redeemer who gave it. This is why the Redeems has to decree: “The nations are angry, and my wrath is come” (Rev. 11:18). It is Christ who says all will go to hell if they disagree with the truth and pure living. Just because the FLDS teach Christ doesn’t make the teaching false, now does it? Do you see the grossness of your deception? Of course you do. Then you say the FLDS teach the helpless youth to hate and fear…Again, we teach Jesus Christ: “Ye that love the Lord HATE evil” (Psalm 97:10). “Therefore, I HATE every false way” (Psalm 119:104). “Therefore the world hates you” (John 115:19). “Holiness is the FEAR of God” (2 Cor.7:1).


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GRETCHEN (Part II)

Gretchin continues: “They gratify their lusts by making up "scriptures" to delude those who do not know what the Bible teaches. It is a much repeated pattern. The Bible NEVER commands polygamy…and it certainly never equates marriage, multiple "marriage," and unending childbirth with achieving one's salvation with God. Only the sacrifice of Christ upon the cross of Calvary can achieve salvation for any other human being.

STREET’s REPLY: What the Bible teaches: Adam in Hebrew is, wouldn’t you know: “Adamdam: More than one dam-sel or maiden, 12 year old girls as co-creators with God, from the purity or source of their stream, exactly as the Bible teaches (Ex.22:29, Matt.7:16, Rev.22:2). The girls’ waters “made him great, running around about His ‘plants’, sending out their little rivers…Therefore His height was exalted above all, and His boughs were multiplied, and His branches became long because of the multitude of waters when He shot forth” (Ezek.31:2-5).

The very “Father of the Faithful (Abraham), had many wives. Is he not the Father of the Faithful? “What saith the Scriptures? For Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him as righteousness (Rom.4:3). “They which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham (polygamists): Gal.3:7.

In Cana, They called Jesus to the marriage” (since he was being placed in marriage…didn’t they also call him “the bridegroom” at that wedding)? “And the governor of the feast (the organizer) called the bridegroom (Jesus), and said…Thou hast kept the best until now”. “Wine” in Hebrew is “Killayown”: Pining, destruction, consumptions”. Do you see it? The girls were all pining and consumed over His love, for the pure flow of life within them.

“And many women were there which followed Jesus from Galilee”, his domestic home. See, they were his wives. Women only follow their husbands, and especially in the ultraconservative ancient Jewish culture. What is it to “behold Him from afar”? The Hebrew for “beholding” is “Chavvah: Life-giving. They were giving life, or bearing His children, the progeny of Jesus Christ. He of all people must fulfill the law, and the first law is to multiply immaculately, without touching her, but overshadowing her with His light. It is one of the great FLDS secrets.

Gretchen continues: I am disgusted that apparently these groups lead their followers to view Jesus as married and a polygamist- what heresy! What outrageously distressing, galling twisting of the gospel!

STREET’S REPLY: Again, your Lord”: “Let the little children come, for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven”. You should be disgusted if Christ was unmarried, just a batchelor. He cared for many women, as all can see, and that is Plural Marriage. It doesn’t say He raped them. That is your experience, not ours.

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GRETCHEN (Part III)

Gretchen says: Come into the simplicity of Christ's sinless life and full payment for their sins, the same as those of us fortunate enough to NOT grow up Mormon.

STREET’S REPLY: Simplicity? “And they went in their simplicity, and knew not anything” (2 Sam.15:11).
“How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity, and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge? Turn at my reproof, and I will pour out my spirit”. (Proverbs 1:22-3).

Gretchen Said: All people involved with polygamy and the Mormon Church, mainstream or offshoot sect, need to throw out all books viewed as "scripure" except the Bible itself.

STREET’S REPLY: Ahh, a true book-burner. The Holy Bible itself, “the Stick of Judah”, speaks of other scriptures, even the “Stick of Joseph” (Ezek.37:19: the Book Of Mormon), and living by “Continuing Revelation”, not being dead to God’s living light or new knowledge for you, not just the knowledge given to others thousands of years ago. If you was safe with their baptism, what does your Lord say ye must be “Born Again”? Do you see your gross ignorance. Of course you do, and of many other Mormon books, unto endless knowledge, such as the Book of Jasher, referred to in your very Bible: “Is this not written in the Book of Jasher”? (Joshua 10:13). “It is written in the Book Of Jasher” (2 Samual 1:18).

Gretchen said: All Mormon writings are simply made up dronings by deceitful, lustful men who had their own agendas- which was self-gratification and ill-gotten wealth.

STREET’s Reply: Yes, they said similar things about Christ Himself, because of the many women around Him, who loved their Husband and Lord, Jesus, that because of this he was lustful and sought self-gratification and ill-gotten wealth, TO WIT: “And Mary took a pound of ointment, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped His feet with her hair…Then said Judas: Why was this ointment not sold for three-hundred pence, and given to the poor”? “Ill-gotten wealth? “Immoral”? You all expose yourselves, seeing your culture flush with immorality all around, and the slaying of millions of innocent little children, taking their little lives away, while this Prophet Warren decrees “Hands off the women” and has given life more abundantly than any man on earth, and loves them to this day, and cares for them, even while he is in prison for Jesus Christ. So, the end has come. “The nations are angry, and Thy wrath is come” (Rev.11:18).


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