I imagine you're read about our newly ordained LDS president Monson's first call to action is to encourage the saints of California - there are saints within Sodom? -to vociferously raise up a mighty voice of righteous indigntion over California's new legal status for gay marriage.
Well, I guess that answers that question of I wonder what this LDS president is going to be like.
He's taken some criticim for that stance, and ole Chaster here is going to be one of the criticizers.
You know, I'm not, really, I'm not out to not get along with my former church. But this stance they've taken on gay marriage affects the law of the land and also the very society we live in I think in a negative way. As such, it's fair game to criticism. And, I think, it does need some serious criticism.
Having come up within the heart of Mormon country, I've known some people who, it later became clear to me, were just plain born gay. They didn't choose this; in fact, they struggled and struggled and fought against it according to their religious upbringings. They more than tried valiantly to choose the path their religion insisted is the one true path of righteousness. In every case I know of, however, these people eventually came to where they chose peace with their bodies over church doctrine. Furthermore, they came to this not out of defeat, not in giving up on virtue, but rather out of seeing the lack of virtue in being at war with themselves.
"Officially, the LDS Church teaches that homosexuality is a sin."
Why? What is that based on but superstition and ignorance?
At the same time here we are in the midst of the greatest moral challenge human beings have ever encountered, the challenge of pulling ourselves back from self-induced ruin from environmental degredation. And what do our dare to presume to call themselves our moral leaders have to say about that? Nadda. Zip. Instead, they want to focus on gay marriage.
Assuming humanity is still in business in a hundred years, no thanks to our dare to presume to call themselves our moral leaders of today, our dare to presume to call themselves our moral leaders of today are going to require a legion of historical apologists to rewrite our history. Again. "
Full Version: LDS president Monson's "call to action"
This is one of my favorite subjects!!!!
(sigh)
I am so happy!
OK. I am all for gay rights! Hooray for Arnold S. or whomever it is that is responsible for that new law.
What right does anyone have to try to force their beliefs on someone else?
That new LDS president (forgive me here, guys, cuz I am about to piss all of you off) seems like a real biased prick.
If two people want to live together legally, what difference does it make? They are going to do live together anyway if they were already so inclined. They deserve to have the same right as everyone else. The only difference is now they have legal rights. Just because the majority of Christendom believe they will go to hell for their lifestyle does not mean WE have the right to deny THEM the right we ourselves enjoy. C'mon now! Love thy neighbor as thyself! Legalizing gay marriage is not going to destroy society because they are there and will continue to be there regardless of any law and there is not a damn thing you or I or anybody can do about it, like it or not.
And secondly, I am convinced the Bible was written by the wise men of old (who have a lot of useful knowledge but a little imagination, too) and the reason they disliked the "sodomites" was because - let's face it they can't create life like the regular heterosexual couples can. And since the purpose of life seems to be to create more life to continue living on, we all know it goes against the natural order of things. But who cares? If they want to take their own genes out of the gene pool, let them.
All people deserve to be happy and enjoy equal rights and freedoms.
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I am so happy!OK. I am all for gay rights! Hooray for Arnold S. or whomever it is that is responsible for that new law.
What right does anyone have to try to force their beliefs on someone else?
That new LDS president (forgive me here, guys, cuz I am about to piss all of you off) seems like a real biased prick.
If two people want to live together legally, what difference does it make? They are going to do live together anyway if they were already so inclined. They deserve to have the same right as everyone else. The only difference is now they have legal rights. Just because the majority of Christendom believe they will go to hell for their lifestyle does not mean WE have the right to deny THEM the right we ourselves enjoy. C'mon now! Love thy neighbor as thyself! Legalizing gay marriage is not going to destroy society because they are there and will continue to be there regardless of any law and there is not a damn thing you or I or anybody can do about it, like it or not.
And secondly, I am convinced the Bible was written by the wise men of old (who have a lot of useful knowledge but a little imagination, too) and the reason they disliked the "sodomites" was because - let's face it they can't create life like the regular heterosexual couples can. And since the purpose of life seems to be to create more life to continue living on, we all know it goes against the natural order of things. But who cares? If they want to take their own genes out of the gene pool, let them.
All people deserve to be happy and enjoy equal rights and freedoms.
| QUOTE (bbgae @ Jul 4 2008, 05:20 PM) |
| This is one of my favorite subjects!!!! (sigh) I am so happy! |
You and Chaster crack me up , you guys sure do . I mean what did you expect the Mormons or any other Christian church to do different this time with California's new gay marriage law ? Did you honestly think they would sit back and do nothing ? Cause if that's what you were thinking , well that would be a grand daddy of a change for them and incredibly naive on your part to think they could change that much .
To religious folks Gay marriage is a moral issue and if you don't know it by now religions are in the moral business. That's what the package and sell , morals . They were selling their moral stance on slavery , prohibition, child labor laws , abortion and today its one women one man marriage . Tomorrow if I have my way it will be feeding environmentalist to the lions. LOL
After reading you Guy's post this may come as a shock to you , but when religious folks say " one nation under God ' or read " In God we trust " they believe this lot stock and barrel . To you these may be worn out phrases but to them this is what they base their believes on , a Christian God and it should go with out saying their going to speak up and vote against something unmoral to them , just like they have always done . No surprise there.
Guess what Bbgae ? Every thing I just said , you already know , and thats what was so funny to me LOL. I know , sometimes it just feels good to hiss , spit and curse, kinda like that kid did in the movie the Exorcist .LOL
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You are precisely right. Here is the difference, though:
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This is NOT a worn out phrase for me. When I Say, "one nation under God," I am thinking about that little piece of scripture that says God created all men equal. That means ALL men. When I say, "In God we trust," I am thinking about all the different religions out there in our great nation who still somehow manage to believe in God regardless of their interpretations of His will. They all still believe in God. They all still trust Him.
And, you're absolutely right. I should have know the same people who run Utah the way it is run would pull some self-righteous crap like this in the name of righteousness. That would be reason # 2 why I am no longer a polyg.
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LOL. You got me.
Not quite like in the Exorcist, but almost. 
I just have to share this gem of a letter to the editor in our local paper today:
To the editor:
I’ll need to paraphrase here a bit, but I’m sure my meaning will be clear, OK?
In Noah’s day, the Lord warned people to repent, or there would be a great flood. So Noah listened and built a great ship, while the world scoffed. After all, it had never rained before upon the Earth. Ha! Ha!
A great gay and lesbian community in Sodom and Gomorrah was warned to repent or perish, and fire rained down from heaven when they ignored the warning.
A great gay and lesbian community in New Orleans planned a great, “in-your-face, God” parade in time for Katrina to dash their attitude to rubble and their infrastructure as well.
A great gay and lesbian community in California had an “in-your-face, God” decision handed down from a liberal court and the mayor of San Francisco announced to the world an open field day for same-sex marriages, proclaiming, “I don’t see any fire coming down, so I guess we’re OK.” And then over 1,000 lighting strikes did come down and you can see and smell California burning whenever you step outside.
“How often would I have gathered you, as a hen gathereth her chicks, but ye would not.” You have eyes to see and will not see.
God bless America. We surely need it.
To the editor:
I’ll need to paraphrase here a bit, but I’m sure my meaning will be clear, OK?
In Noah’s day, the Lord warned people to repent, or there would be a great flood. So Noah listened and built a great ship, while the world scoffed. After all, it had never rained before upon the Earth. Ha! Ha!
A great gay and lesbian community in Sodom and Gomorrah was warned to repent or perish, and fire rained down from heaven when they ignored the warning.
A great gay and lesbian community in New Orleans planned a great, “in-your-face, God” parade in time for Katrina to dash their attitude to rubble and their infrastructure as well.
A great gay and lesbian community in California had an “in-your-face, God” decision handed down from a liberal court and the mayor of San Francisco announced to the world an open field day for same-sex marriages, proclaiming, “I don’t see any fire coming down, so I guess we’re OK.” And then over 1,000 lighting strikes did come down and you can see and smell California burning whenever you step outside.
“How often would I have gathered you, as a hen gathereth her chicks, but ye would not.” You have eyes to see and will not see.
God bless America. We surely need it.
A thing I’ve frequently wondered about that story of Sodom and Gomorrah, I can guess the shenanigans that were going on over in Sodom, but what were they up to over in Gomorrah?
I’m no biblical scholar, of course, but I wonder if perhaps the problem they were having in Gomorrah was with salt. It might be that they had learned about irrigation and so were prospering. Times were good. Food was cheap and abundant. And so they were multiplying and replenishing as if there were no tomorrow. Problem was, salt was accumulating in their irrigated fields.
My father was a farmer down in Imperial Valley, and the irrigation is from the Colorado River, which by the time it makes it down to Imperial Valley has a whole lot of salt in it. These days, though, we know about salt accumulation and how to deal with it. You install drainage in your irrigated fields so as to drain off the accumulated salt.
In Gomorrah, though, they didn’t know that. And, then one day, their food production started to go south on them. They, being good personal responsibility type Republicans immediately set about what good personal responsibility type Republicans do best, which is to find somebody to blame for this. Oh, they exclaimed, all our problems are all about these sinners here. Oh, you wicked wicked sinners. Stone the sinners. Stone the sinners. So the sinners got stoned.
Just my theory, but maybe the whole problem with Gomorrah wasn’t so much wickedness as bad management.
See, I think you religionists have it all wrong. It’s not all about commandments and obedience, though those can be useful guidelines at times; but ultimately, it’s about good management.
What morality is all about, I think, isn’t about commandments and obedience; it’s about lasting for the long haul.
Course, in the Big Picture, whether we last for the long haul doesn’t amount to much. Still, if you have some kind of a ridiculous preference that humanity will be around awhile, which I certainly do, otherwise, why would I even bother with raising a kid and so forth, then what we need to focus on is good management.
I’m no biblical scholar, of course, but I wonder if perhaps the problem they were having in Gomorrah was with salt. It might be that they had learned about irrigation and so were prospering. Times were good. Food was cheap and abundant. And so they were multiplying and replenishing as if there were no tomorrow. Problem was, salt was accumulating in their irrigated fields.
My father was a farmer down in Imperial Valley, and the irrigation is from the Colorado River, which by the time it makes it down to Imperial Valley has a whole lot of salt in it. These days, though, we know about salt accumulation and how to deal with it. You install drainage in your irrigated fields so as to drain off the accumulated salt.
In Gomorrah, though, they didn’t know that. And, then one day, their food production started to go south on them. They, being good personal responsibility type Republicans immediately set about what good personal responsibility type Republicans do best, which is to find somebody to blame for this. Oh, they exclaimed, all our problems are all about these sinners here. Oh, you wicked wicked sinners. Stone the sinners. Stone the sinners. So the sinners got stoned.
Just my theory, but maybe the whole problem with Gomorrah wasn’t so much wickedness as bad management.
See, I think you religionists have it all wrong. It’s not all about commandments and obedience, though those can be useful guidelines at times; but ultimately, it’s about good management.
What morality is all about, I think, isn’t about commandments and obedience; it’s about lasting for the long haul.
Course, in the Big Picture, whether we last for the long haul doesn’t amount to much. Still, if you have some kind of a ridiculous preference that humanity will be around awhile, which I certainly do, otherwise, why would I even bother with raising a kid and so forth, then what we need to focus on is good management.
That's a good theory, you got going on there, Chaster. I kinda like it.
How about another theory?
Take into consideration the high morality rate back then. On average the life expectancy was 20-30. Man as a species was still struggling for survival. It was imperative to - as Chaster put it, multiply and replenish in good times like there was no tomorrow. And in such a world as that, of course the union between anything other than a man and a woman was frowned upon for the simple basic reason that the said union could produce no offspring. So the next big step to ensure the survival of man was for the elders, leaders and wise men of the time to term homosexuality a "sin" and have it put into the Bible as such. And, viola! You now have the root of the the story of Sodom and Gomorrah (which in all likelihood may have really been as Chaster suggested) and thus the root of the "movement" the new LDS president's call to action.
Helllooo people!!!! We have now multiplied and replenished to the point of near self destruction. Save the Earth! We can now afford a little homosexuality.
How about another theory?
Take into consideration the high morality rate back then. On average the life expectancy was 20-30. Man as a species was still struggling for survival. It was imperative to - as Chaster put it, multiply and replenish in good times like there was no tomorrow. And in such a world as that, of course the union between anything other than a man and a woman was frowned upon for the simple basic reason that the said union could produce no offspring. So the next big step to ensure the survival of man was for the elders, leaders and wise men of the time to term homosexuality a "sin" and have it put into the Bible as such. And, viola! You now have the root of the the story of Sodom and Gomorrah (which in all likelihood may have really been as Chaster suggested) and thus the root of the "movement" the new LDS president's call to action.
Helllooo people!!!! We have now multiplied and replenished to the point of near self destruction. Save the Earth! We can now afford a little homosexuality.
| QUOTE (bbgae @ Jul 9 2008, 06:35 PM) |
| LOL. You got me. Not quite like in the Exorcist, but almost. |
Well I guess we all have our moments , cant say I haven't had a few of my own , yup even this last week lol.
You've made some interesting points Bbgae and I do understand where & why you're coming from .
I guess you heard about those fine folks in Kanab lately haven't you ? Seems they just don't understand how to be politically correct but I kinda think they know what they would prefer for their little town and they went ahead and said " out-loud & proud " their preferences .
Nothing wrong with that right ? When they "came out " and said they would just as soon not have any gay or lesbian couples move to their community I honestly didn't see anything wrong with this attitude the people of Kanab shared . I mean after all its a place many families choose to call home for generations and I feel they have every right to speak up what they feel best for their community .
I suppose to others living elsewhere it would come across that Kanab is a city with a bunch of homophobic throw backs from the 1950's where Gays should stay in their closets forever.
But this time Bbgae you had a town who "came out of their closets " who said what their preference was concerning their communities life style .
How accepting was the gay community towards these people of Kanab and their preference ? Simply said , they wernt happy at all or open minded for that matter . For a while there was talk of boycotts , and organized marches of little ol Kanab .
It seemed to me everything the gay community has protested and complained against was their fist response when others shared their personal preference also. It turned out that many of the gay community were if anything heterophobic closed mined folks who could match any prejudging pound for pound of the most anti gay religious folks you would ever meet is what I concluded .
Up until then , well I never had any interest if gays could marry or not . As it so often happens when others try and force a change on a person out of resentment this person will make up their mind and usually not the direction from where this pressure is coming from .
Figuratively speaking , I think any marriage should between adults and not children who can not respect others preferences even though their preference may be different from someone else's , be you gay or not .
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| Yankie You are precisely right. Here is the difference, though: |
Hey again Bbgae ,
I tried talking my self out of making this post , but lost , Lord forgive me, but I just love to laugh and sometimes just cant stop myself . I know , this is a little crude and distasteful as can be , but if you can ,,,, laugh with me on this one , I intend no offence by it , a shared laugh would do .
Take a look at this award somebody gave Kanab regarding Gay marriage .
http://www.nataliercollins.com/weblog/?p=216
Its obvious this guy has some real strong emotions for the people of Kanab and gay marriage , but the name of his award ( or reward ) leaves me to wonder if he will also give the people of Kanab a big kiss and call them on Monday .
| QUOTE (bbgae @ Jul 11 2008, 12:26 AM) |
| It was imperative to - as Chaster put it, multiply and replenish in good times like there was no tomorrow. And in such a world as that, of course the union between anything other than a man and a woman was frowned upon for the simple basic reason that the said union could produce no offspring. So the next big step to ensure the survival of man was for the elders, leaders and wise men of the time to term homosexuality a "sin" and have it put into the Bible as such. And, viola! You now have the root of the the story of Sodom and Gomorrah (which in all likelihood may have really been as Chaster suggested) and thus the root of the "movement" the new LDS president's call to action. |
Thankee, there, bbgae. That's a good theory you got there too.
There's probably a lot to that all right. For a subsistence farmer like they was in them biblibal days, and still are in many parts of the world today, your pension program basically amounts to having a bunch of sons. For a guy not to be in the son producing game would be a disaster.
For the Mormon Church to carry on this tradition of seeing gay as the most wicked of wanten wickedness doesn't make a whole lot of sense, especially where population pressures pose such dire pressures on the planet as is the case today.
Jeffery Sachs in that book "Common Wealth" has this formula, I = P A T, environmental Impact = Population times Average income times Technology. The projections are that world population will stabilize at about 9.5 billion, a factor of 1.4 times todays. The good news is that the trend for average income is it will also increase by a factor 2 or 3. The downside in terms of today's Technology, is that the world will be approaching the buying power for the T of today's USA. Cars for example. We're looking at about 10 times more cars in the world than today if we could magically somehow continue on business as usual, which we can't.
Well something has got to give here. One, it'd be nice to have world population stabilize at 8 billion instead of 9.5 billion.
Also, it'd be better to change the equation to I = P A / S. Can't remember what S stands for, but basically, it's solar energy, or any kind of technology that provides us the goods with minimal negative impact on our planet.
S is going to need to increase by a factor of 8 or so just to keep us at today's already unsustainable impact on the world. S will need to increase some more beyond that or humanity will likely go into another Dark Age or maybe into the circular file of extinction. S will happen to some extent all on it's own, but if we're to have anything like the S we'll need, huge investments in that need to be in place NOW. AS in TODAY.
The A going up, good. We want that. Contrary to how we who worry about humanity's future are often portrayed, we're not against A at all. In fact, having some A is what we're all about. Ignore what we're saying, you're not going to be getting any A at all.
Seems like a fundamentalist church sees its role as basically, change must be stopped at all costs. Keep it like it was in the bible.
The irony of course, is that these very traditions the fundamentalist churches cling to with such dogmatic brain dead inflexibility, such as in continuing on a program of maximum reproduction and making life a living hell for gays, is itself the biggest engine of change and also the most destructive engine of change around.
Once again, thank you, bbgae, for not buying into the fundamentalist religion. That right there is a miracle and a ray of hope.
Yankie-
Lol! I loved that site and that little article you sent me to. Don't you ever apologize to me for something that good again!
chaster- I rather liked your equation and your explaination.
Lol!
I loved that site and that little article you sent me to. Don't you ever apologize to me for something that good again!chaster- I rather liked your equation and your explaination.
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You can thank my ex- husband for that. He sees things a little differently, too. He was the one who talked some sense into me. And he is ex-polyg, as well. There are more of us than you think, but not very many, and hardly any of the few express their opinions like I do.
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| Yankie- Lol! I loved that site and that little article you sent me to. Don't you ever apologize to me for something that good again! |
Um, well , I'm not completely sure you caught my sicko crass joke , if not thats OK , could be the nature of this joke , gay marriage , and the name of this award isn't something so natural to poke fun at concerning someone else's compromising ( gay ) position I suppose LOL,
Honestly I'm not homophobic , not really just kinda homojokeic I guess
I mean come on Bbgae , how can you take this gay marriage stuff seriously ? Forget all about God and religion , its a age old joke against nature don't ya see? And it aint nice to fool mother nature ya know. 
Although I doubt those cross dressers are really fooling anybody as much as they might think they are , if you know what I mean , my word.But of coarse in the bible it says the natural man is a enemy to god . So , if true , maybe its just the unnatural gays that will make it to heaven and become Gods little gay angels playing harps with father(s) Adam and Steve for eternity , damn , to be so lucky LOL
You do know don't you , if Sayitaintso hadn't check out of here I just bet he'd have something profound just about now to put the fear of God back into the place instead of my insensitive and very unnatural jokes about something others feel is as natural as can be .
Yup , he'd say it was all part of gods plan that all soap belongs on a rope lest it falls to the earth during times of cleansing , and for once I could agree with him , praise the Lord, amen and amen .
What happened to Sayitaintso?
And, I am not as pro-gay as I sound. I just don't think it's worth all the effort and energy people put into it. I want to live and let live.
It's not like all the gay people are going to sit their children down and turn them gay, too, thus ending Christendom and bringing a living hell to earth. I honestly believe there are some posers who like to be gay, and some people who are naturally gay and there is nothing that can be done. So why judge them?
And, I am not as pro-gay as I sound. I just don't think it's worth all the effort and energy people put into it. I want to live and let live.
It's not like all the gay people are going to sit their children down and turn them gay, too, thus ending Christendom and bringing a living hell to earth. I honestly believe there are some posers who like to be gay, and some people who are naturally gay and there is nothing that can be done. So why judge them?
Yankie-
I guess what really gets my goat on this subject is the self-righteous biased --- ---s who are so strictly religious they are blinded to anything but their own precious ideals. Who try to force the rest of the world to conform to THEIR beliefs and who constantly disrespect others' beliefs but demand others' respect them and then somehow manage to bring their perfect --s to church on Sunday as though everything in the world were right and good.
Maybe it's just years of living under such egotistical tyranny that does it. I don't know.
I guess what really gets my goat on this subject is the self-righteous biased --- ---s who are so strictly religious they are blinded to anything but their own precious ideals. Who try to force the rest of the world to conform to THEIR beliefs and who constantly disrespect others' beliefs but demand others' respect them and then somehow manage to bring their perfect --s to church on Sunday as though everything in the world were right and good.
Maybe it's just years of living under such egotistical tyranny that does it. I don't know.
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| What happened to Sayitaintso? |
Ah, he'll be back. He gets all huffy and storms off. But then he'll be back.
Say was, I gather, in the midst of a religious crisis. Say was of the school of thought that, aside from a few notorious bad eggs, such as Warren Jeffs, whose admittedly bad behaviors were way exaggerated by a predatory press, the FLDS, especially the Creekers who have already rejected Warren Jeffs as their prophet, are good sound people who want nothing more in this life than to pursue the God given right to live in the Dark Ages according to their own consciences. I don't know, though. You split from a split from a split, it's got to kind of make you wonder deep down if maybe the whole business may be fundamentally flawed.
Say was quite jovial and good natured most the time but then somebody'd cross one of his trip wires and he'd fly off the handle. I kind of supsect that, when Say would fly off the handle like that, it really was more an internal battle with himself than anything else.
He might have come here kind of hoping to attract another young pretty wife, bbgae. So that's either a warning or some useful information depending upon your perspective.
I'm hoping you're not game for another religio-multiple-wife hunter, bbgae, but that's none o my business. Aint none o my business. You deserve better than that though.
Or, maybe this time he's gone for good. The forum seems to have all but died. Which is all right. It had a pretty good run.
At one time, this was quite a lively forum with lots of varied opinions sparking off one another. And then I came along and ran it into the ground. Or, maybe I kept it going longer than it otherwise would have run through my excellent witicisms and stuff. Or maybe, my presence had no effect on it either way. That'd be the most disturbing of the posibilities from my perspective.
I don't know. Should we pull the plug on this?
Chaster-
Thank you for answering my question about Say. That's too, bad. I hope he comes back, I kinda liked him. (But don't worry, IF I ever live polygamy again, it will be one wife with several husbands........) LOL!
No. Seriously- I am done with all that run around.
Thank you for answering my question about Say. That's too, bad. I hope he comes back, I kinda liked him. (But don't worry, IF I ever live polygamy again, it will be one wife with several husbands........) LOL!
No. Seriously- I am done with all that run around.
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Please don't- unless you feel like it's more trouble than it's worth. I just found this place and I like it here. And the Texas Polygamy blog is dead most of the time, too. Unless there is a big story going on. I am quite content to drop in occasionally and talk to you guys.
| QUOTE (bbgae @ Jul 14 2008, 03:44 PM) |
| Chaster- Thank you for answering my question about Say. That's too, bad. I hope he comes back, I kinda liked him. (But don't worry, IF I ever live polygamy again, it will be one wife with several husbands........) LOL! No. Seriously- I am done with all that run around. Please don't- unless you feel like it's more trouble than it's worth. I just found this place and I like it here. And the Texas Polygamy blog is dead most of the time, too. Unless there is a big story going on. I am quite content to drop in occasionally and talk to you guys. |
Well Bbgae . I've been holding back replying to your post and answering your question about Sayit , Me mentioning his name was kinda a effort to bait him to say something if he was lurking just for the heck of it . Not much good there or even the email I sent to him last week , never heard a word back .
Funny , I wouldn't know ol Sayit on the sidewalk if I were to trip on him . I guess for over two years we'd trade pm's or emails back and forth from time to time . Heck , from religion , politics , energy and even global warming we'd throw our arguments around in a Fierce manor . About the only time it wasn't so cut throat was if it was about poetry , but you must know Bbgae his passion and talent regarding that already .
If I were to guess I'd have to say it wasn't anything about polygamy or his believes if in fact he's moved on , more than once he'd been down that road . Its been a month or better for him to cool down if he was pissed , people get over being pissed all the time , but being let down or hurt is a completely different matter .
Tell ya something else , Sayit was always trying to better a person and not covert them or change them , and for me there is a difference from most religious people . I wouldn't think twice that he was looking for a wife on this site , although it makes me laugh . Naw , for the longest time he kept his polygamy life secret , not one word . I thought he was Mormon all the way . I was taken back when in a PM he said he was a polygamist . Good God almighty I thought , I've been deceived by the enemy . This guy duped me all the way .
Nobody knew Say was a polygamist at the time , it slowly came out with a little help of my own also , and I can assure you it wasn't because he was looking for another wife . If anything he just wanted to have a voice and share a opinion with others with out being pre judged , don't we all , and for a while he had just that .
| QUOTE (bbgae @ Jul 14 2008, 10:44 PM) |
| Please don't- unless you feel like it's more trouble than it's worth. I just found this place and I like it here. |
You're in luck, bbgae. To my mind, when it comes to permission for rambling on and on, one yes is worth a thousand nos.
I'm guessing Yankie feels that way about it too.
Yankie-
Thank you for explaining about Sayit. Maybe he just had a personal crisis like I did? Maybe he moved and hasn't gotten internet yet? I hope that's all it is. I hope he comes back. (Maybe he's really sick?)
Chaster-
Thank you for explaining about Sayit. Maybe he just had a personal crisis like I did? Maybe he moved and hasn't gotten internet yet? I hope that's all it is. I hope he comes back. (Maybe he's really sick?)
Chaster-
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| You're in luck, bbgae. To my mind, when it comes to permission for rambling on and on, one yes is worth a thousand nos. I'm guessing Yankie feels that way about it too. |
Oh Goody! 
I am glad to hear I can stop over here once in a while and B.S. with you great guys. (Sigh) I am so happy!